I have been working on a project similar to Swamprat’s
latest post. Nothing is more frustrating to me than having a firearm that is
less than useable. Most people run across one or two in the course of their
hobby and either trade it off or stick it in the darkest corner of their
closet. It is always satisfying to come up with a solution to whatever problem
is present.
In my case the problem child is a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44
Magnum that a friend gave me many years ago. When fired with cast bullets, this
revolver has always been the worst leading firearm I have ever had. Jacketed
bullets worked acceptably with fair accuracy but I have always preferred cast
for economy, performance and reduced wear and tear. We all know that most, if
not all, firearms will show varying degrees of leading over extended shooting
periods, but none of the rest of mine do so as badly as this one. Unfortunately
as few as a dozen shots with cast bullets from a large assortment of styles,
suppliers and etc. would lead to the point that often the rifling was buried. Slugging
the bore revealed that it was .432”. Obviously even .431” bullets weren’t
bumping up enough to properly engage rifling and were causing leading. I figure
that the only reason jacketed bullets worked is that they had softer cores,
depending on the jackets to engage the rifling, and bumped up easier. As a
result I seldom shot it, preferring to use other .44s instead. As it had been a
gift, thoughts of trading it off were never considered.
In the course of re-building a Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt I
decided to try my hand at casting bullets. Rather than investing a lot of money
in moulds, pots, sizer/lubricators and etc., I ordered a couple of Lee .452” 255-grain
RNFP molds, .452” sizer kit and a Lee Production Pot. Though this mould design
isn’t one of the “tumble-lube” designs, it turned out that Lee’s liquid lube
worked splendidly on bullets pushed in the vicinity of 850-900 fps with
excellent accuracy and virtually no leading other than a faint “wash” apparent
after 40-50 rounds. A quick pass with a bronze bore brush followed by a tight
bore mop erased nearly all of the traces and accuracy never fell off with buildup.
Dropping from the mould at an average of 262 grains and having an extremely
generous flat nose, this bullet is now my standard for the .45 Colt at
velocities up to 1,100 fps.
Since things had worked so well for that .45, I began to
wonder if a combination of bullet size and lube might make a difference in my
problem with the .44. I was lucky enough to win the bid at a very good price on
a gently used Lyman 429421 mould (one of those thought to be most closely of
original Keith SWC design), ordered a Lee .430 sizing kit and started to work.
Initial bullets dropped from this mold at 258 grains and averaged .4315”
diameter. Bullets weren’t perfectly round, but considering the excessive bore
diameter, I thought to try them unsized using fairly liberal amounts of Lee
lube to coat them first. Results were
mixed but encouraging. Groups (using my normal full-house loads) were adequate,
if not impressive, and leading after 24 rounds was negligible.
Encouraged, I decided to try sizing a few bullets to .430”
and backing the load to around 1,150 to 1,200 fps (a load I commonly employ for
general use in order to reduce stress on my firearms). After sizing and
re-lubing, these bullets were loaded and taken out to my range. Success! Groups
averaged 2” or less and only the faintest trace of lead could be found after 24
rounds. This was easily removed merely by running the bore mop through. My
S&W 629 (which doesn’t know what leading is) was used to finish the rest of
the box of 50 and resulted in groups running 1” to 1 1/2” (from the bench) with
absolutely no sign of leading. Another batch prepared the same way but pushed to
roughly 1,400 fps actually tightened the groups slightly from both revolvers
with very slight leading in the Ruger and the 629 bore looking like a mirror.
Now that I was rolling, I decided to try those commercially
cast bullets after tumble-lubing with the Lee lube. I lubed some of LeadHead’s
excellent 270-grain LBT and 250-grain SWC bullets without removing the
commercial lube in the grooves and allowed them to dry. Each weight was pushed
by the hunting load I commonly use for these weights. The Ruger (which had
previously leaded hideously with both styles) shot both weights well, but did
show a little more leading than with the Lyman bullets. The 629 shot them the
same as it does with just the commercial lube that LeadHead uses and again the
bore was clean.
I have several other variables I still want to try, but it
is nice to know that sometimes that light at the end of the tunnel isn’t a
train!
6 comments:
I'm glad you have finally joined the casting community. I have the same mold for the 44 Mag and have good success with it in my Smith 29. I have an old Star Sizer I found on ebay that i really like but it's a pain to set up for each bullet. I have it set up for what I shoot in my 1911 and use the Lee Lube for just about everything else. I have found it is just as good.
I have tried dipping the base of the bullets in it but now I just use Lee's advice and tumble lube them.
I know you know more about this than I do but what size are you forcing cones in the cylinder?
If they are smaller than the barrel you can ream them out some. I had to do that on my Ruger 45 colt. Maybe you told me to do that, huh?
Have you ever gone to this site on casting? http://castboolits.gunloads.com/
Man the info there is awesome.
Glad you got that Ruger shooting better.
Swamprat
Oh I forgot. I roll the lubed bullets in Mica after they dry, dirt doesn't stick to them then. Makes me feel better if it doesn't do anything else.
Swamprat
Actually I did open the forcing cones. I use a Manson reamer several years ago to open them to .4325". Biggest problem has been finding bullets large enough or able to bump up to bore diameter. I really thing that lube has played a big part too. More work to do.
I bought the mold for my 30-30 from MOE Molds. They are aluminum molds and are a step up from Lee. Mine cast the size I ordered. They make .432 molds, you might talk to them, I know they used to do a little customizing if you need it. The prices aren't bad and I have had good luck with mine. You used to be able to call them and tell them what you need and they would try to help in any way they could. I haven't talked to them in a long time but they are good folks to deal with. Here is the link if you are interested.
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=37&osCsid=gt7j0sqd4t7ka3p157llairei1
Also I have heard good things about NEI molds and they custom make every mold from what I hear. You tell them what you want and they make it. The prices are supposed to be competitive with factory molds.
http://www.neihandtools.com/mold_info.html
Swamprat
Per our conversation, I ordered a .432" 258-grain 4-cavity NOE mold and handles. Emailed the company about "as-cast" diameters and got a response within minutes! Very impressed. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the info.
Fantabulous, I am glad you got in touch with them. I have had good luck using their molds, let me know how you come out.
Swamprat
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